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  • UruannatoComic StripsThe Military Entertainment Complex:
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    3 days ago

    Iron Man 1: Rich selfish asshole has a wake up call

    More precisely, the wake-up call being: the weapons that he sold to the US military as a war profiteer have ended up in the hands of the enemies and he gets blown up with a missile that has his name on it. It was rather on point.




  • The rib story is a rewrite from an older Sumerian myth, Enki and Ninhursag, which did point to a rib specifically. We know that because that was a pun in Sumerian - the rib (ti) is used to give birth to the goddess Ninti (lady of life, here changed to lady rib, then also lady of the month). She’s one of seven goddesses created / born out of a body part where Enki is in pain (throat, eye, arm, etc.)








  • The green Sahara was gone 5 000 years ago when Egypt barely started being Egypt and long before Assyria, the Bronze Age Collapse happened 3 200 years ago, and the Old Testament started getting written a bit before 600 BCE over a few hundred years. The Egyptians and Assyrians already had their breadbasket, it was the fertile crescent from the Nile to the Tigris and Euphrates, it was not a desert there.

    The israelite texts survived because they were written right when some big empires (Babylon and the Achaemenids) came around and then carried them over until the Greeks and Romans came by.



  • UruannatoWorld News*Permanently Deleted*
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    25 days ago

    but at least they would not personally execute my whole family just because I’m not a muslim who listens to music.

    Man, they are literally executing anyone they see for just existing in Gaza. Americans, health workers, ambulances. They literally said that babies born in Gaza are already terrorists. They make prisoners confess that they are Hamas by threatening to drone their whole family. So yes, they do execute your whole family just because they live there.


  • UruannatoAsk Lemmy*Permanently Deleted*
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    26 days ago

    Those places that were destroyed almost certainly didn’t have things older than Ur, Akkad, Nippur, Uruk. They would have had works from the periods before it, but just the Old and Middle Babylonian and Assyrian periods, not much more than that. Writing beyond religious centers was spread across Mesopotamia starting the Ur III dynasty then the Old Babylonian period, reaching to the end of Anatolia, so there wouldn’t have been a prolific writer like an ancient Tolkien or GRR Martin before Enheduanna in Akkad. We can actually pinpoint when writing began and when it spread, so we’re pretty sure there can’t have been anything big written and lost older than that. Because very few people knew how to write before Ur III, and these people simply weren’t writing epic stories, they were writing accounting receipts and religious praises, and that peak was Enheduanna. It’s only during the Ur III dynasty and then the Old Babylonian period that people started writing the stories that were popular outside temples.

    What was lost in the big collapses, when it comes to stories, would be smaller individual texts, variations and extra details of texts we know, not entire bodies of work completely lost everywhere - and they would be texts written well after Ur III. Any big work that existed in that period would have spread everywhere during the multiple empires that came and went, and there’s always a place where fragments survive - if only because the place was lost and buried (not destroyed) before the various collapses, and only resurfaced in modern time. We knew about the Sumerian traditions without knowing what they were or that Sumer even existed until the 19th~20th century, because those stories survived through other cultures, starting with the Old Testament, and Greek myth, and then we found out that Gilgamesh and Atra-hasis predated them all, and we figured out when THAT turned from oral tradition into writing, and then from a handful of individual texts into a single epic. Because they weren’t actually destroyed - they were just buried. The bigger works that were lost in the various collapses and burnings from the Sea People to Alexandria, and weren’t already copied somewhere else would be texts of sciences, records, philosophy, that didn’t have a wide cultural impact beyond the capital - so not epic stories, and not older than Ur III.

    So obviously, before writing was invented, we can only speculate so much on what existed. Surely there were people who had stories before all that, and not just in Mesopotamia, Europe and Asia obviously had their own cultures and stories, but that would have been oral tradition only, and when the culture dies without ever being written, the story is lost. We can actually take some guesses at the most distant roots of the dragon myths and some constellation stories, but we can’t guess into existence an epic from before writing was invented.

    After writing was invented, there weren’t any stories written for a long time until the big empires, so nothing before Akkad, Ur III, and the Old Babylonian period. Even in other places where writing existed the earliest, it turns out that what they wrote didn’t include stories until relatively late (looking at you, Harappa and China’s Shang dynasty). The rare people who knew how to write simply didn’t write stories, they wrote religion and accounting mostly. It only begins with the Ur III texts, which is Gilgamesh (also the Enmerkar-Lugalbanda cycle that never made it to the same level of popularity).

    After writing was spread across the Mesopotamian empires, there’s very little room for something that was entirely lost everywhere, there’s always a place where fragments survive and other cultures pick up on it. We have the Baal cycle in Ugarit, we have Greece, and then we have the Old Testament. Anything that could be truly lost and not just buried would be paper (and adjacent), much later, and wouldn’t have anything older that doesn’t already appear somewhere else. The odds of an entirely unknown, big enough story, existing before and disappearing in that period, are not very significant. If it existed, it spread into something else that survived.



  • UruannatoAsk Lemmy*Permanently Deleted*
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    Gilgamesh, the first story ever written, basically follows that construction, more or less. 5 indenpendent adventures written down separately in Sumerian around 2100 BCE (from a likely centuries older oral tradition), then compiled in a single Old Babylonian story around 1800 BCE, rewritten over the next 600 years. We literally don’t have any written story older than that beside individual poems.


  • UruannatoA Comm for Historymemesas expected
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    29 days ago

    No, it’s the exact opposite. “Freedom of speech” is the state not retaliating for things you say. “Is not freedom from consequences” means other people can still cut ties with you for what you say. People who say that aren’t saying that the state is allowed to retaliate, that’s the opposite from freedom of speech, and the event in OP’s post is not freedom of speech. It just sounds like you don’t understand what either freedom of speech or freedom of consequence mean.