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    “When we’re talking about amputation behavior, this is literally the only case in which a sophisticated and systematic amputation of an individual by another member of its species occurs in the animal Kingdom,”

    says first author Erik Frank - again forgetting that humans are part of the animal kingdom too.

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      I mean in a technical sense, in a philosophical sense there’s room for debate, in a lot of ways we’ve kinda moved beyond

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        That’s debatable, and this article is not a philosophical one (and it’s written correctly in the title ;)

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        What does going beyond animals even mean? If we were cyborgs or some synthetic hybrids I could sort of see a differentiation, but we are still mammal animals.

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          Well, we understand concepts, and have the ability to plan for the far future beyond our immediate surroundings. We create art, and ponder morality and mortality.

          We are mammals, but we are much more than that.

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          If you don’t already have some form of metal that has been intentionally added to your body, my guess is that you will before you die.

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          Like I said in a technical sense, yes. But in a philosophical way are we really if we can pick and choose which species we want to make extinct?

          Whenever the topic comes up on eradicating mosquitos once and for all, it’s never centered on if we can but if we should. We have so much control of our environment and animals, we can decide which ones flourish and which ones go extinct, we can destroy all life on this planet in a day. We don’t have total control, but what we do have…is quite a lot. To me that means we’ve transcended beyond imo

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        In a lot of ways we haven’t though. I think not putting humans in the animal category ignores the fact that humans can be extremely animalistic at times, especially individually.

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          Maybe even more as groups, as can be seen from the world politics.

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          ignores the fact that humans can be extremely animalistic at times, especially individually.

          I mean that’s true, but when that does happen, they’re called out on it using “being an animal” in a derogatory form, as in “We’re better than that, you’ve stooped to the level of animals with your actions”

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    This work also raises questions about pain perception in ants, since the injured insect remains conscious throughout the limb removal.

    It wasn’t all that long ago that surgery on humans was done with a shot of whiskey and a stick to bite on. Or for another fun option: hypnosurgery.

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    I don’t know how people see this kind of research and still believe that intelligence is unique to humans